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Today's District Only Voting Meeting Options
DJGray
Posted: Saturday, March 22, 2008 8:28:12 PM

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I went to the District Only Voting informational meeting today at the BHam Library, and folks, it was a very strange meeting. At issue was the coming vote on District Only Voting, voted in last year by 65% favorable vote. The County Council has placed the issue on the ballot once again, and you will be voting on this in November.

Those presenting on the panel were Sam Crawford, Whatcom County Council member, District 2, Barbara Brenner, Whatcom County Council member, District 3, and Janet Anderson, an elections activist from a Seattle chapter of the League of Women Voters. Each panelist was allowed 20 minutes to make their presentation.

Crawford - Favors District Only Voting
First out of the gates was County Council member Sam Crawford. Crawford is in favor of keeping the current system wherein the members of a county district elect their own representatives. Those in other districts, likewise, vote in their own representatives. Sam was very well prepared with an impressive PowerPoint presentation. He stated his position, offered reasoning for the position, and continued on. He was very complimentary of his opposition on the panel(Barbara Brenner), speaking well of her as a representative of the community. Crawford needs to resist the urge to try his hand as a comedian, however, because it doesn't fly, and detracts from what he is trying to do. He had such an abundance of information that he ran out of time, and had to rush through the last couple of PowerPoint slides (actually he didn't finish), but on the whole, it was a very well prepared presentation. (I'm trying to see if I can get the PPT slides to post here.)

Brenner - Opposes District Only Voting
Given the quality of Crawford's presentation, I was expecting something equally impressive from Barbara Brenner. Seven hours later, I'm still trying to figure out what she was doing. Brenner did not have an organized presentation at all. Now, I need to say here, I like Barbara Brenner. It's hard not to. She's got a lot of energy, and is kind of cute when she gets on a roll. But today, Councilwoman Brenner took a good opportunity to present her case and really did her cause more harm than good. From the moment she stepped to the podium, she looked and spoke as though she was angry. I think she was angry. The longer the event ran, the angrier she got. There were two cameras in the room, recording the presentation, so it is possible this may be available online shortly. If so, I'll watch it again, and see if I can pick up on anything I missed in Brenner's presentation.



I tried hard to follow where Brenner was going with her presentation, but she was so scattered that it was difficult to do so. On the whole, she seems to have two main points in her opposition to District Only Voting. 1. She believes the public did not have all the information before them on the original vote. Repeatedly, she mentioned the Voter's Pamphlet, an informational flier we did not have for the previous district voting ballot measure. 2. She says there is new information, and when there is new information, she believes that merits a new vote. I'm not certain what the "new information" is, but I think it has to do with her perception that certain council members are becoming blind to issues that affect districts other than their own.

During the post presentation discussion and question/answer period, Crawford addressed the second issue directly going so far as to offer concrete examples of how he sees the position or viewpoint to be inaccurate. Brenner offered some anecdotal experiences where council members jokingly said, "I don't care. It's not my district." To her defense, however, Brenner also cites a private conversation where she was bluntly told to "Butt out Brenner. It's not your district." If that's accurate, and I have no reason to doubt her on this, the comment was terribly inappropriate. However, it really is more of an indictment of the council member's boorish behavior than it is of the system that elected them.

Brenner finished before her time was up, but rather than stop, she decided to rehash what she had already said many times, and in various ways. Eventually, this approach to public speaking just causes the audience eyes to glaze over. I'd really encourage Barbara Brenner to polish up her presentation for future opportunities like the one that was missed this morning.

Anderson - Why was she there?
Janet Anderson drove up from Seattle for this event, and this was one of the stranger aspects of the morning. I'm not entirely certain why she was there. Like Crawford, Anderson had an impressive presentation, complete with excellent, well organized data, and a nice PowerPoint presentation. Anderson was presenting a voting alternative that she calls proportional representation. From the materials passed out prior to the meeting, I was not favorably disposed to it, but her presentation was highly thought provoking, and left me wanting to know more.

Clearly this was the case with others in the room as well, as her presentation spurred a number of interesting questions from the audience. Anderson went over her alloted time by about six minutes, but the timekeeper (and others) found her presentation interesting enough that she was allowed to continue.

The Anderson presentation added to the strangeness of the morning because it was so out of place. The topic of the day was District Only Voting, and her presentation had nothing to do with that. It was interesting, well prepared and presented, and it really deserved to have a forum dedicated just to that subject. It was not fair to Crawford and Brenner to use time that should have been devoted to their issue. Neither was it fair to Anderson to make her squeeze all her information into time insufficient for her topic.

Now, it just gets increasingly weird. Let's go back to Brenner's anger mentioned above. When Anderson was speaking, she worked through a number of slides specific to Whatcom County, pulling numbers from the auditor's data on Whatcom County for the 2004 presidential election. Well, Brenner took great exception to the fact that the pie charts and histograms presented were categorized by Democrat, Republican and Libertarian. There was no representation for "Independent" on the displays. Brenner became incensed over this, and stopped Anderson early on in her presentation to say so. From that moment on, she was just in a funk! It was borderline childish. When the panel was back at the table fielding questions, Brenner was visibly irritated, sighing, rolling her eyes, showing all the classic signs of irritation. It was surreal.

I'm confident there will be more presentations on this subject. We'll see how it goes next time.









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  • vbuys
    Posted: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 9:48:15 PM

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    Now here is an interesting postulation to munch upon...

    It seems very odd indeed that any politician, after changing to a new system of doing...whatever, would not wait a prescribed period of time for said system to stabilize prior to ordering for the complete recending of that system.

    Let me illustrate with an example from my "expertise"... In electronics, there is a system called a switch. It many instances in which this system is in play for the common man, it is either a simple switch as say the switches in one's home, or the the software which reads the switch is hidden from the user and it is perceived as nothing more than a simple switch. When one gets into the deeper mechanics of electronic theory, as opposed to electrical theory, the former dealing with the micro level of electric principles and the latter the macro, one would notice that there is much more at work than just a simple switch. There is what is generally reffered to as "switch de-bouncing." Most individuals would presume that when a switch is on, the electricity flows, and conversly when the switch is 'switched' off the electricity immediately stops flowing. While in theory, this would be correct, in application, this is not the case. Due to various factors in electronic circuitry, mainly capacitors and inductors, the electricity can do some perceptively odd things. Capacitors hold a charge and then can release that charge over time once the switch has been flipped. This can be best illustrated through a small radio which can still be heard for a socond or two after it is unplugged. Inductors play a whole other ballgame however. When electricity is either applied or removed from an inductive circuit, a small magnetic field is created or destroyed respectively. The bigest factor is when the power is removed. This causes the magnetic field to collapse, generating an electrical spike. With delicate electronics, which say read the stoke of a key being pressed, this spike can cause missreads as the microprocessor may interperet these spikes, or 'bounces,' as extra button presses. This is where "switch de-bouncing" comes into play.

    often times this is performed in the software of the signal processing microprocessor. In short, when a microprocessor detects a key pressed, it will read it as a press but then delay for a predetermined time. Sometimes as little as 200ths of a second, or 20 milliseconds, is required. This delay gives the circuit time to stabilize before the next time the microprocessor is allowed to read that switch. Immagine a ball that is dropped onto the ground. It is dropped once, but before it comes to rest on the ground, it may bounce several times, each time bouncing less high. If we were to count each time it hit the ground, we would end up counting several "drops" where only one "drop" was performed. To debounce this, we would drop the ball, count the first drop, and then wait, say 5 seconds in this instance. (depending on the ball) After the five seconds, we would continue our counting. At this point, if we calculated correctly the maximum time required for the ball to stabilize, it would have, in fact, stopped bouncing and stabilized.

    Now, bringing my discussion back around to the topic of politics and more specifically, once again asking the voters to decide on county-wide or district-only voting. Why would someone try and repeal a system that has had only on itteration before even allowing for the whole process to stabilize. After only one try with the new district-only voting, it is hardly acceptable to think that the process has stabilized and that any perceived problems could be assertained in such a short period of experience. Secondly, this sort of backtracking is very unusual for a politician as can be deduced by looking at how many government programs there are which produce poor or no results at all but would hardly be deemed candidates for cancellation no mater how long they had been left to deploy themselves and their errant results.

    Which begs the question, "What does Barbara Brenner have to gain from this?" or, "What is the REAL motivation behind this?"

    (disclaimer: from this point on is mere speculation on my part, but is food for thought)

    scenario A: Sam Crawford won the recent '07 election in the 2nd district through district only voting, barely... In '09 the other 2nd district seat, occupied by Laurie Caskey-Schreiber, comes up for election. Without looking at past voter turnout in favor of Caskey-Schreiber county-wide vs. district wide, I can only speculate on this: what are the odds for Caskey-Schreiber's re-election to the county council under the new system? Just in my head I tend to think that her margin of error is much, much slimmer, being a more liberal candidate in a more conservative area of the county. My theory is held tighter by the addition of scenario C.

    scenario B: Chris Hatch was not elected from the 1st district to the Council in the recent '07 elections. He was beat out on that seat by Bob Kelly, a liberal who received much of his support from either out of town or from tribes. The 1st district is a more liberal area as it is dominated by the vote from south Bellingham. Chris Hatch, being of a more conservative nature, and likewise his supporters, was in the minority even though he ran a good campaign.

    It would be interesting to speculate on the results of the two aforementioned races had their districts been reversed: Kelly vs. Hatch in 2nd and Mann vs. Crawford in 1st, or to immagine what would have been the results in either race had county-wide voting been in play

    this leads me to my last scenario...

    scenario C: Ward Nelson is a current councilman from the more liberal above mentioned 1st district, however he leans more conservative. It was interesting when Nelson came out in favor of county-wide elections, and subsequently, in favor of placing the issue back on the ballot. He was elected to his position under the previous county-wide elections and is up for re-election in '09. Doing a similar analysis of the previous vote as that proposed in relation to Caskey-Schreiber in the 2nd district, it would be interesting to see how he would stand under the new system. Was he able to retain his position in the past due to the inclusion of conservative votes from the north, and would he, through district-only voting be able to retain his seat. I wonder if this has something to do with why he seemed so fired up about the issue.

    In conclussion, I don't see Brenner as particulary interested in the retention of Nelson in the chamber, though on this I may be wrong. But what is the nature of the working relationship between Brenner and Caskey-Schreiber? Could the urgency with which this was placed back on the ballot have something to do with the desired retention of Caskey-Schreiber in '09? If not, it would seem almost elementry that you would give a new system the chance to stabilize before you take the proverbial axe to it.

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    Brat
    Posted: Thursday, March 27, 2008 11:45:42 AM

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    vbuys wrote:
    But what is the nature of the working relationship between Brenner and Caskey-Schreiber? Could the urgency with which this was placed back on the ballot have something to do with the desired retention of Caskey-Schreiber in '09? If not, it would seem almost elementry that you would give a new system the chance to stabilize before you take the proverbial axe to it.


    I don't think Barbara had Caskey-Schreiber in mind when she began the push. Barbara held several meetings with various neighborhoods on certain issues that weren't in her district and when it was brought up that those neighborhoods could not vote for Barbara as a council member, many people seemed surprised. I was at one of those meetings and actually had to explain it to some of the attendees. Additionally, Barbara has heard probably one time too many "butt out Brenner...it's not in your district". The biggest user of the words "it's not in your district" or "what do I care, it's not in my district" is comically enough from the one council member that couldn't get re-elected in her district...Laurie Caskey-Schreiber. When this all first hit the news with Brenner attempting to get it back on the ballot, there was a lot of talk about Caskey-Schreiber and her inability to win within her district. Shortly thereafter, Caskey-Schreiber announced that she was not going to seek re-election to her current council seat. Now, who knows if that means she will move out of District 2 and seek election to another seat or if she will run for a different position all together (Lord help us).

    I think putting this back on the ballot so quick is jumping the gun. We are a unique community...not that large, but not that small. I think the better solution would have been to keep district only voting, but reduce the number of representatives to one per district and have 2 at large positions, thereby reducing the number of councilmembers by 2 and saving us all some money while receiving appropriate representation. I never understood why a community this size needed a 7 member part time council when very large communities run quite effectively with a 7 member full time council. Am I over simplifying again? Sly
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